UAW kicks off talks with 'Detroit Three'

[Wags]

Some people have some STRONG feelings about this! I’m glad I’m not at this dinner table.

unless they are eating tacos, and if they are hard shell tacos then you might not hear the conversation from all the crunching.

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[ssjx7squall]

sorry about the following novel length reply, but some of these replies really demand the counterpoint arguments for balance. This is my 1 and only on this topic!

it's truly baffling and saddening at the same time that our society has large segments that have absolutely no concept whatsoever on the actual VALUE of work these days. The value of the work and equivalent pay has always been determined by the Employer; what is the amount worth to hire someone instead of doing it themselves? THAT is the bottom line here and we've allowed certain groups to perpetuate false linkages and equivalencies that people assume is normal and righteous somehow and requires constantly "fighting for".

"Living wage"? Ridiculous! There is no linkage whatsoever between what it costs person A to survive and what any random job pays! If you can't make enough $ with 1 job- get another 1 or 2 or 3 until you reach the amount needed to survive! That's what generations of immigrants always did, and it made them appreciate America all the more as they were free to choose how to raise a family and be productive Americans while passing on good values by example. REAL world example- look at most family run restaurants of immigrants who work with minimal or NO salary to themselves to keep the business solvent. FORCING them to pay others off the street more than they themselves take is next to criminal IMO.

Big CEO/director salaries have no relevance to what a production line job is worth to the companies. They are on a whole different level of employment not everyone qualifies for. When I worked in production early in my career, we used to shake our heads at corporate compensation, but we always knew we could choose to work elsewhere if we didn't like it instead of complaining about any disparity. Get over it and make a better life for yourself.

Corporate Profits? GOOD for our economy! Poor people don't hire anybody! Why do Unions and Governments think they get to decide what a "fair share" is for the company and employees? Same goes for paying taxes. My 1st paying job was minimum wage in 1974- $1.75 an hour. It took me 2 college degrees (no loans) and 30+ years of working and climbing to get to $36.00 an hour as an engineer in high tech. I didn't bitch and complain about the company profit (or lack thereof) or board salaries or look to union collective bargaining to help me. Just worked and looked to better myself and move up the ladder any way I could and saved for retirement and paid into SS and my taxes.

People thinking they DERSERVE some unrealistic wages and working conditions are in for a rude awakening as more and more jobs are becoming obsoleted by automation, and now AI- if it doesn't kill the human race off as expendable along the way

Weird is thinking the status quo is what is morally right.

Weird is thinking barely making it by is some how honorable.

Weird is thinking someone who doesn’t produce the product deserves the majority of the profit from said product.

Weird is saying “economy is what we should care about!” When people are barely making it by but 1 guy has more money than everyone in the country.

Weird is thinking trickle down economics is good when every economist who didn’t graduate from Liberty university says it’s shit and the effects are apparent in our economy.

What’s sad is how much koolaide people have drunk to be thankful to and defend those who put them in chains.

 

[Ranger#5?]

Weird is thinking the status quo is what is morally right.

Weird is thinking barely making it by is some how honorable.

Weird is thinking someone who doesn’t produce the product deserves the majority of the profit from said product.

Weird is saying “economy is what we should care about!” When people are barely making it by but 1 guy has more money than everyone in the country.

Weird is thinking trickle down economics is good when every economist who didn’t graduate from Liberty university says it’s shit and the effects are apparent in our economy.

What’s sad is how much koolaide people have drunk to be thankful to and defend those who put them in chains.

You’re overlooking the fact we have freedom of choice in a free society. I left multiple jobs in my lifetime because I feel I was not treated fairly. In a free market economy and capitalist economic system it is not the government or union or any other entity that decides what individuals deserve or the value they place on their labor.

I have not seen an economic system anywhere in history that provides more opportunities for the most people to succeed and the highest standard of living for the most people in their society- have you? Millions of people are still pouring in here for a better life despite any shortcomings we might complain about.

I read somewhere in an old document once about “in order to form a more perfect union”. That sounds like a lofty goal that admits a current situation that isn’t perfect, but implies trying for more perfect society will be ever ongoing.

I don’t think we can ever ask for more than that realistically and it doesn’t mean we failed as a society if we never achieve 100% absolute fairness and perfection in our ever changing world.

 

[rwolfcastle]

Weird is saying “economy is what we should care about!” When people are barely making it by but 1 guy has more money than everyone in the country.

This doesn't make sense on it's face. You can't say "the economy doesn't matter" and then turn around and complain that people don't have enough money to live. They are one and the same.

If the economy was healthy, it wouldn't be so expensive to get by.

 

[Ranger#5?]

Ranger #5

But people who do their job correctly deserve a wage they can survive on.
Yes the Value of work is important.
But how you pay your employee is telling of how you value that employee.
I agree there are employees who do not deserve more and there are those that do.
Times have changed.
Yea in 1972 you could earn $80.00 to $100.00 a week and live in it.
Everything cost less. Times have changed.
I to as you did not complain and worked and saved. But as stated life today does not compare to the way it once was.
As everything cost more then the cost of living goes up and working people need to earn more.
The fact is that our children have less than we had at their age.
I was a salaries employee in retail most of my 40yr career.
Yes how much a CEO earns does effect that is left to pay those who make the profits for a company. I know first hand.

Thank you and now I will get off my soap box.

I have worked hourly, salary, union, nonunion and created my own business. I’m just thankful I had the choice of trying them as I experienced life. Debate is necessary for a balanced society.

it’s all good here

 

[Scole31]

unless they are eating tacos, and if they are hard shell tacos then you might not hear the conversation from all the crunching.

What you having for lunch wags?

 

[Wags]

What you having for lunch wags?

unfortunately, not tacos. I had a cheesesteak and fries and working but today is my Friday.

 

[Scole31]

unfortunately, not tacos. I had a cheesesteak and fries and working but today is my Friday.

Had some tacos in Amarillo this afternoon and were great. Cheers bud!

 

[fordtrks4ever]

I could go for a good Philly cheesesteak with sauce, onions and hot peppers.
Man your making me hungry.
Let us return to all things Ranger

 

[ssjx7squall]

This doesn't make sense on it's face. You can't say "the economy doesn't matter" and then turn around and complain that people don't have enough money to live. They are one and the same.

If the economy was healthy, it wouldn't be so expensive to get by.

Except I didnt say the economy doesn't matter

 

[ssjx7squall]

You’re overlooking the fact we have freedom of choice in a free society. I left multiple jobs in my lifetime because I feel I was not treated fairly. In a free market economy and capitalist economic system it is not the government or union or any other entity that decides what individuals deserve or the value they place on their labor.

I have not seen an economic system anywhere in history that provides more opportunities for the most people to succeed and the highest standard of living for the most people in their society- have you? Millions of people are still pouring in here for a better life despite any shortcomings we might complain about.

I read somewhere in an old document once about “in order to form a more perfect union”. That sounds like a lofty goal that admits a current situation that isn’t perfect, but implies trying for more perfect society will be ever ongoing.

I don’t think we can ever ask for more than that realistically and it doesn’t mean we failed as a society if we never achieve 100% absolute fairness and perfection in our ever changing world.

The economic system prior to Raegonomics did. the 1950s were the golden age of the American economy where workers had work protections and fair wages.

Millions of people are pouring in because their countries are literally falling apart in part because of American action.

It's about striving for better when what you seem to be arguing for is statism.

And that's why you aren't asking for more but others are and good for them. They are literally embodying the phrase "in order to form a more perfect union." We fail as a society not because we can't achieve absolute fairness and perfection but because we stop striving for it.

 

[fordtrks4ever]

What we need is the UAW and the Big 3 to meet in the middle and get to work and build the vehicles.
At the end of the day I just want to order my Ranger get it built and have a quality product.
Am I asking for too much. Probably

 

[Wags]

I could go for a good Philly cheesesteak with sauce, onions and hot peppers.
Man your making me hungry.
Let us return to all things Ranger

Mine what just steak and cheese, I don't mind onions and peppers but no sauce.

 

[fordtrks4ever]

Mine what just steak and cheese, I don't mind onions and peppers but no sauce.

No other way to have a Philly cheesesteak in my opinion
Though a real Philly cheesesteak has cheese Whizz which is not my preferred cheese

 

[Ranger#5?]

The economic system prior to Raegonomics did. the 1950s were the golden age of the American economy where workers had work protections and fair wages.

Millions of people are pouring in because their countries are literally falling apart in part because of American action.

It's about striving for better when what you seem to be arguing for is statism.

And that's why you aren't asking for more but others are and good for them. They are literally embodying the phrase "in order to form a more perfect union." We fail as a society not because we can't achieve absolute fairness and perfection but because we stop striving for it.

you must have me confused with another poster. None of your word twisting commentary is remotely applicable to the points I was making. Nice dodge and deflect though!

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