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Check Paul's automotive engineering too. For the 2.3 tuner, they were 200 less than almost everywhere else
 

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Quite annoying Ford has deemed it wont release this tune kit in Australia where the truck was designed and developed !!
And what's even more annoying is it no longer the fastest truck under $100k in Oz with BYD releasing the Shark 6 which trumps the raptor on kw and acceleration so Ford are missing a trick against this electric hybrid .
Shark 6 is also $35k cheaper than a raptor making it now hard to justify even as a Ford Man .
 

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I'll take a contrarian view. Installed the tune now 3 weeks ago. Overall not impressed. Granted the Raptor is not under powered in gnrl but around town driving is really no different. When you get on it it does feel a bit more spicey but nothing impressive.

I purchased the tune mainly for the tranny programming. My sense is it may hold gears longer under moderate acceleration or load but it does not hold gears longer otherwise. What I mean to say is one of my big annoyances with the 10spd programming is it is way to "CAFE". My truck will constantly upshift to 10th gear while under light load at speeds as low as 38mph. Very annoying as every time I touch the accelerator it will downshift 1-2 gears then upshift immediately off load. The tranny is programmed to lug along at 1200RPM. It really does degrade the driver experience. The poor programming is compounded by the fact the the shifts are freaking lazy. It takes soo long to upshift or downshift makes me want to pull my remaining hair out. The tune made no difference.

I have been spoiled. I have owned 5 vehicles with ZFHP8spds. My last truck was a RAM 5.7L/ZF8HP-70. Presently, I daily a Toyota Supra with a ZF8HP-50. The experience is night and day. I really can't express just how much better it is. Now don't get me wrong I love my RR. Otherwise fits the bill for me perfectly. Best midsize truck hands down and I drove them all. It's just that the tune did not deliver what I was looking for. If I could roll back time, I would pass on it knowing what I know now.
 

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Leveriton Ford is cheapest I think. Finally carb certified. Just ordered.

Same & same.....I ordered it through them yesterday and it was the same price shipped here to OC, CA......FINALLY CA approved!!......now to find an ASE certified mechanic to install once it arrives!
 

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I'll take a contrarian view. Installed the tune now 3 weeks ago. Overall not impressed. Granted the Raptor is not under powered in gnrl but around town driving is really no different. When you get on it it does feel a bit more spicey but nothing impressive.

I purchased the tune mainly for the tranny programming. My sense is it may hold gears longer under moderate acceleration or load but it does not hold gears longer otherwise. What I mean to say is one of my big annoyances with the 10spd programming is it is way to "CAFE". My truck will constantly upshift to 10th gear while under light load at speeds as low as 38mph. Very annoying as every time I touch the accelerator it will downshift 1-2 gears then upshift immediately off load. The tranny is programmed to lug along at 1200RPM. It really does degrade the driver experience. The poor programming is compounded by the fact the the shifts are freaking lazy. It takes soo long to upshift or downshift makes me want to pull my remaining hair out. The tune made no difference.

I have been spoiled. I have owned 5 vehicles with ZFHP8spds. My last truck was a RAM 5.7L/ZF8HP-70. Presently, I daily a Toyota Supra with a ZF8HP-50. The experience is night and day. I really can't express just how much better it is. Now don't get me wrong I love my RR. Otherwise fits the bill for me perfectly. Best midsize truck hands down and I drove them all. It's just that the tune did not deliver what I was looking for. If I could roll back time, I would pass on it knowing what I know now.
Completely agree with you regarding the transmission in general. I have the whipple tune on my Bronco Raptor (same drivetrain) and the trans tuning is *much* better.

Also agreed on the ZF trans. Even GM abandoned the 10-speed (which they co-developed with Ford). It’s just unnecessary. The ZF is better in every measurable way.
 

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Quite annoying Ford has deemed it wont release this tune kit in Australia where the truck was designed and developed !!
And what's even more annoying is it no longer the fastest truck under $100k in Oz with BYD releasing the Shark 6 which trumps the raptor on kw and acceleration so Ford are missing a trick against this electric hybrid .
Shark 6 is also $35k cheaper than a raptor making it now hard to justify even as a Ford Man .
Until you deplete the hybrid pack as it's only going to recharge on braking...then your left with a 1.5L that's only 228HP that now must move a 5,970lb truck while also managing the very substantial parasitic load of recharging the battery from the engine while driving.

My wife and I gave our daughter a 2012 Prius C that we used to drive to work and back. Great on gas. It's series / parallel hybrid setup. When the hybrid battery depletes, the gas engine runs constantly to recharge it if you don't do enough stop and go. An already slow car becomes unbearable slow as the little 73 HP Atkins cycle engine now has to move the vehicle and recharge the battery until you start getting back into stop / go. Fuel economy tanks.

This occurs either 1. when idling for extended time periods as it runs the AC and everything else off the pack 2. during frequent heavy acceleration with rapid braking vs. the long slow brake zones when driving slowly to mostly use the series-wound motor as a generator for regenerative braking.

Hybrid systems don't recharge well under high performance applications, they typically recoupe the most energy when slowing down in a gradual manner, aka driving like an elderly person. Why? Because the series-wound motor when used as a generator can only produce so much resistance, if you need to stop fast, you're going to start using brakes too which just dissipates the vehicles motive force as heat / friction.

Now imaging doing a rally race with a hybrid truck...trails, might be ok. But it is a fact that Toyota's Tacoma Hybrids are slower than their gas only counterparts by nearly a second zero to sixty due to the weight. The BYD seems to be more electric drive biased, so it relies a lot more on the EV motor and battery than the Taco's, where 70% of the power is still coming from the gas engine.

So, are you suggesting with the BYD Shark (also made in China at 1/2 the price....so how much quality do you actually expect?) is going to perform at its peak for very long under actual off-road conditions? If you run that truck hard for more than a few minutes, I'll bet that hybrid battery gets completely drained and suddenly all the fun stops and it's slow as molasses.

That's assuming the hybrid system can even handle sustained high loads without over heating until the pack runs out...try running at Finke for 3 hours or the 800+ mile Baja with something like that...just not going to happen lol. And it uses a CVT transmission, they are NOT reliable under high powered loads, which is why the gas engine is only 228hp. There's a reason it's half the price...because it's a Chinese quality road toy pretending to be a race bred truck.

Sure, it's a cheap truck that can for short period of time match or slightly best a stock RR in a drag race, but that's literally about all it can do...beyond that's it's a joke.
 
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WHY the BYD Shark 6 FAILED our hill climb test

Apparently, it's so good off-road it couldn't even get up their gravel hill that a Raptor could climb with even the most novice driver.

BYD Shark 6 Premium 2025 off-road review - Chasing Cars

You just have to wonder, how long will this Chinese sourced car really run? How many issues will start to appear after 60k miles? I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything, but I think the BYD Shark 6 is really just a toy compared to the RR.

It has some practical utility as a road SUV with light duty off-road capability, but not much more than our Mazda CX-9 with just a 7-seater mid-sized SUV that's more like a cross-over aka a tall car.

Given tariffs being what they are, over here in the states, it's just as pricey as the RR and FAR less capable.

Then you have the EV issues: BYD recalls nearly 100,000 vehicles over fire risks

What happens when that EV battery fails at 6-7 years? We know EV batteries have a MUCH more limited lifespan than a gas or diesel engine does. Typically, 7-8 years for a well-made unit.

Some light duty hybrid packs can last up to 10~12 years, but rarely do high powered units have the lifespan of a Prius type light battery.
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