Driver Seat Leather issues: Ranger Raptor

[pelermon]

Yeah that makes sense. I used to work for a auto seat manufacturer. I just talked to the head engineer there, showed him your diagram, and he told me obviously that oems are doing everything they can to cut costs, and they are going from sinusoidal type spring to a "flex mat". He doesn't make this particular seat, but he said he's going to speak to the engineers at Ford and get back with me regarding any pertinent information if there even is any. He also stated something that we all need to know. Leather is supposed to wrinkle like old man's face, vinyl isn't supposed to wrinkle. We used to make fun of vinyl back in the day, it's called pleather, fake leather, so what would you prefer? Thanks for sharing the blueprint !

The REAL problem is that it causes back damage. I have a new 24 Ranger with 1800 mi on it and we don't drive it because it is so uncomfortable. The 24 high tech Ranger is an AMAZING truck except for the front seats
You can test and feel yourself by putting your hand under the seat on the middle of the foam cushion, then with your other hand, make a fist and push down on the top of the seat - middle rear, about 10-15 lbs will sink it. There is no support in that area at all. We found as you ride in those seats, they gradually settle downward as you drive, this wedges your pelves in between the firm side bolsters and will start hurting your pelvis, butt and back in about 1/2 hour and get worse as you drive. My 115lb wife will not ride in it, because her back hurt the three times we drove it for any length of time, and so does mine and my butt ! I took my Ranger in to the dealer at about 600mi to address it and they found the foam cushion was 8-12" split about 1/2 down on door side. They replaced it but it did not help anything. I had someone PM here saying his brand new 24 Ranger did not same thing.
It is a very easy fix if they just acknowledge it.

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[Catalyst]

The REAL problem is that it causes back damage for me.

Fixed this for you...

You can't claim it causes back damage for everyone. Perhaps a higher trim level than XLT makes a difference, because as I've told you before on other threads you post on this matter; I did 13 hours in a Ranger Raptor with no such pain as you describe. Maybe you and your wife need to trade your Ranger in on a Cadillac product to avoid chiropractor/physical therapy visits.

Does the seat cover leave a little to desire for fitment, sure. Is quality going down in almost all products these days, yep sure is. Causing actual back damage though... reaching.

 

[pelermon]

Fixed this for you...

You can't claim it causes back damage for everyone. Perhaps a higher trim level than XLT makes a difference, because as I've told you before on other threads you post on this matter; I did 13 hours in a Ranger Raptor with no such pain as you describe. Maybe you and your wife need to trade your Ranger in on a Cadillac product to avoid chiropractor/physical therapy visits.

Does the seat cover leave a little to desire for fitment, sure. Is quality going down in almost all products these days, yep sure is. Causing actual back damage though... reaching.

Maybe you need to stop being a smart ass, this IS a serious PROBLEM. Both our backs and butt hurt after riding in it for any length of time What can I say? It doesn't? . True - I never rode in a Rapure Ranger, maybe the side bolsters are not the same, and the tight vinyl upholstery lends more support than my cloth, acting kinda like a trampoline until it is all stretched out. I have a number of other vehicles and have no problems with any of the seats. My 2003 F150 with 270K has no problem. I have NEVER had a vehicle so painful to ride in. Ford Customer Service rep told me that she HAS had complaints about these seats.


I also got a PM from another 2024 Ranger owner regarding this I will share

"hey, i read you have a split in your drivers seat too? i have an xlt, and mine split on the left side of the drivers side bolster, towards the edge of the frame, which gave a sinking feel/no support.
dealer sent it to the local upholstery shop, they repaired the split, been one day and i can see its going to come back.

did yours get fixed and did it last?
i’m thinking of skipping dealer and just getting the upholstery shop to add a canvas backer. "

We went on to discuss this in the PM
The canvas backer is not the solution.

 

[Catalyst]

Maybe you need to stop being a smart ass, this IS a serious PROBLEM. Both our backs and butt hurt after riding in it for any length of time What can I say? It doesn't? . True - I never rode in a Rapure Ranger, maybe the side bolsters are not the same, and the tight vinyl upholstery lends more support than my cloth, acting kinda like a trampoline until it is all stretched out.

Maybe start a poll to substantiate your claims that Ranger XLT seats lead to back damage (leave out the Lariat and Raptor since they have non cloth upholstery)?

Also, seats in the Raptor trim level are leather not vinyl in North America. The bolstering is also different which is exactly why I said perhaps this is not such an issue in higher trim levels. I have a hunch there would be many more complaints of back pain posted here if it was happening, people love to come to the internet and complain and overstate issues.

 

[Wayfaring Ranger]

My wife has daily-drove the truck for months and didn't experience back problems, I've driven the truck for a 14 hour trip, an 8 hour trip and a 6 hour trip and never had any back issues.

This is not a widespread problem. If anything this is the first time I've seen anyone mention having back pain from these seats...and people here LOVE to complain.

 

[pelermon]

Maybe start a poll to substantiate your claims that Ranger XLT seats lead to back damage (leave out the Lariat and Raptor since they have non cloth upholstery)?

Also, seats in the Raptor trim level are leather not vinyl in North America. The bolstering is also different which is exactly why I said perhaps this is not such an issue in higher trim levels. I have a hunch there would be many more complaints of back pain posted here if it was happening, people love to come to the internet and complain and overstate issues.

The excessive wrinkling and sagging in the Rapture "leather trim"(better off with high-quality vinyl )should be an indication of the lack of full support under the foam cushion it is wrapped on. The "flex mat" to support the foam you sit on is ridiculous. Maybe the Rature has something different. You can go ahead to share that schematic of the seat if it is different than the Rangers.

 

[pelermon]

My wife has daily-drove the truck for months and didn't experience back problems, I've driven the truck for a 14 hour trip, an 8 hour trip and a 6 hour trip and never had any back issues.

This is not a widespread problem. If anything this is the first time I've seen anyone mention having back pain from these seats...and people here LOVE to complain.

So the FOAM cushion SPLITTING in half after 600 miles does not tell you anything and even bringing it up is just for the love of COMPLAINING? If there is a problem the DESIGN ( "flex mat" ) there IS A WIDE SPEAD PROBLEM. If FORD does offer a solution for this, you make sure you pass on it, because you don't want to complain about any defects.

 

[Wayfaring Ranger]

So the FOAM cushion SPLITTING in half after 600 miles does not tell you anything and even bringing it up is just for the love of COMPLAINING? If there is a problem the DESIGN ( "flex mat" ) there IS A WIDE SPEAD PROBLEM. If FORD does offer a solution for this, you make sure you pass on it, because you don't want to complain about any defects.

I didn't say anything about foam splitting and all the other stuff you're replying with.

I'm saying back pain from these seats is a "you" issue. Many of us have owned these trucks since April/May, and many of us have driven these trucks for hours at a time, and you're the first person here saying you are getting back pain from the seats.

I personally find the seats extremely comfortable, even the days I was sitting in it for 14 hours straight.

 

[pelermon]

I didn't say anything about foam splitting and all the other stuff you're replying with.

I'm saying back pain from these seats is a "you" issue. Many of us have owned these trucks since April/May, and many of us have driven these trucks for hours at a time, and you're the first person here saying you are getting back pain from the seats.

I personally find the seats extremely comfortable, even the days I was sitting in it for 14 hours straight.

WHY do you think the foam SPLITS?
Any clues?
Do you SEE any support on the back half of the "flex mat" ?
That is what SUPPORTS your foam cushion when you sit on it.
I am 215 my wife is 115, BOTH of us experience PAIN when riding in it for more than 1/2 hour
It FREEFALLS in the center of your butt.
If the 2024 Rapture uses a completely different sub-frame and "flex mat" as the other Rangers then you might have some validity, but I doubt they do.

 

[Wayfaring Ranger]

WHY do you think the foam SPLITS?
Any clues?
Do you SEE any support on the back half of the "flex mat" ?
That is what SUPPORTS your foam cushion when you sit on it.
I am 215 my wife is 115, BOTH of us experience PAIN when riding in it for more than 1/2 hour
It FREEFALLS in the center of your butt.
If the 2024 Rapture uses a completely different sub-frame and "flex mat" as the other Rangers then you might have some validity, but I doubt they do.

Like I said, I'm not here to comment on the foam or internal bits of the seat. I'm just saying these seats are extremely comfortable even when I spend an entire day sitting in them. Experiencing back pain from these trucks isn't the norm for the majority of owners.

I'm 180lbs, my wife is 115lbs. Neither of us have any pain from these seats. I also don't have a "rapture", I have a lariat.

 

[pelermon]

Like I said, I'm not here to comment on the foam or internal bits of the seat. I'm just saying these seats are extremely comfortable even when I spend an entire day sitting in them. Experiencing back pain from these trucks isn't the norm for the majority of owners.

I'm 180lbs, my wife is 115lbs. Neither of us have any pain from these seats. I also don't have a "rapture", I have a lariat.

Then your truck has the same problem.
I suspect you have connections to some Ford dealer the way you are defending this, and calling my wife and I just complainers.
Either you are a part of the solution
or
You are a part of the problem

 

[Bobx]

my back hurts just from reading this thread.

 

[Johnny 5]

I drove an 150 for 6 years, as my primary and only vehicle. Every time I got out of it, I was hunched over in pain, it took 5 or 10 minutes before I could stand up straight.

Looking back on it, it felt like my truck, being able to carry so much weight and not having any weight in it, It just basically throws you around the whole time your driving it. Think about it.

Fast forward, my wife buys a Ranger Raptor. When it was new, we drove it on a long trip to our son's graduation, and lo and behold, when I got out of the truck, not only did my back not hurt, it even felt better than when I got in it. Something about the stiffness and the way the seats hold me in there, is perfect for me. That's why I bought one of these for myself as well. I don't know much about the backseat yet, we don't ever have anybody sitting back there. But we both have a ranger raptor, my wife and I, and neither one of us have back issues from them. I have 3 vertebrae that fused themselves together (L2, L3, and L4) because I have no disks left in my lower lumbar, and hardly any left in my neck. Can't say enough about how good my back feels when I step out of this truck.

 

[Wayfaring Ranger]

Then your truck has the same problem.
I suspect you have connections to some Ford dealer the way you are defending this, and calling my wife and I just complainers.
Either you are a part of the solution
or
You are a part of the problem

Saying "I don't get back pain from these seats" must mean I work for Ford? Maybe people just have different experiences with this truck and your experience isn't the norm? What a weird thing to say to someone. I guess 99% of the people on this website work for ford since we aren't experiencing back pain from these seats.

This isn't an either/or situation, and I'm not part of the problem or the solution. I'm part of the majority of owners who don't get back problems from a comfortable seat. I'm sorry you aren't in the same boat. I hope you're able to find peace and a comfortable seat to sit in.

 

[Catalyst]

Then your truck has the same problem.
I suspect you have connections to some Ford dealer the way you are defending this, and calling my wife and I just complainers.
Either you are a part of the solution
or
You are a part of the problem

I don't represent Ford. I'm just a consumer. One with a totally different experience than you state. Not calling you a complainer - I'm saying you are overstating that Ranger Seat = Back Damage. You know they have test drives for people right? If you and your wife both experience significant pain get rid of the Ranger and find something that suits you. You don't represent a majority and aren't owed a solution from Ford.

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