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Does their happiness require higher octane or just a regular diet of "Top Tier" fuel?
The owners manual even states that 91 Octane for 'optimal performance' on a non tuned engine...

" For best overall vehicle and engine performance, premium fuel with an octane rating of 91 or higher is recommended."
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The owners manual even states that 91 Octane for 'optimal performance' on a non tuned engine...

" For best overall vehicle and engine performance, premium fuel with an octane rating of 91 or higher is recommended."
Exactly. I never heard of a turbo engine that didnt require premium gas.
 

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RANGER 2.7L ECOBOOST CALIBRATION


  • Peak Power = 355 hp @ 5,500 rpm
  • Peak Torque = 433 lb-ft @ 3,500 rpm
  • Improved throttle response throughout rpm range
  • Optimized Shift Schedule
  • Premium Fuel Required

I'll be placing my order tomorrow. Anyone else planning to order it?
Thanks for this!

Will absolutely order it. Should I complete the break in before installing?
 

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Exactly. I never heard of a turbo engine that didnt require premium gas.
There is a difference between "required" and "recommended". The 2.3 and 2.7 are designed to run on 87 octane, but can benefit from higher octane, especially when hot or under heavy load as when towing. Source: https://www.fordservicecontent.com/...ingEnabled=False&userMarket=USA&buildtype=web

So if you've heard of the ecoboost 2.3 or 2.7, then you have indeed heard of a turbo engine that does not require premium fuel. Note, premium fuel isn't to be confused with "top tier"; the latter just means a brand name with a detergent additive package.
 

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Interesting, I definitely clicked on it earlier today. I posted a Ford news article that has part #s and such, maybe that's helpful still.
 

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The owners manual even states that 91 Octane for 'optimal performance' on a non tuned engine...

" For best overall vehicle and engine performance, premium fuel with an octane rating of 91 or higher is recommended."
That's a performance question. The statement was about OCCASIONALLY using premium to keep injectors "happy." If "happy" means well maintained injectors, then the question isn't about engine performance
 

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In general, the higher octane fuel will require higher temps to burn, so it's good for the engine (plus it makes it more efficient + gives a bit of a power bump depending on the brand).

Shell 93 is great for turbo engines.
I think you're wrong. Higher octane fuels don't ignite without higher compression. The difference isn't temperature. That's my understanding anyway.
 

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Interesting, I definitely clicked on it earlier today. I posted a Ford news article that has part #s and such, maybe that's helpful still.
Found it, but as of now I cant order it
 

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I emailed FP asking for clarification regarding availability. This was the response:

Hello,

The kit is still going through its last validations and approvals, sorry for the confusion. I would anticipate the official launch will be coming soon. I would continue to keep an eye on the website for updates.

Thank You,

##### ######
Ford Performance Info Center - Supervisor
(800) 367-3788
######@ford.com

www.performanceparts.ford.com

So it looks like premature release information followed by a bombardment of inquiries followed by the link going offline.
 
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I think you're wrong. Higher octane fuels don't ignite without higher compression. The difference isn't temperature. That's my understanding anyway.
True, technically!

Octane = resistance to compression! But heat is a byproduct of higher compression, so it still results in higher temperatures.

Always happy to learn something new, I'm not an expert :)
 

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Right, octane rating pertains to the fuel's resistance to combustion by compression. Higher octane is going to be better for turbo engines to optimize the compression stroke, else lower octane may cause preignition and the spark timing will be retarded, and efficiency is decreased.

Temperature does influence how effectively a given octane rating performs. But as stated, if you are able to compress the air/fuel mixture more, a byproduct is increased temperature from the increased compression.
 

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Forgot to add. I’m hoping aftermarket tunes show up.
my 16 150 2.7 added a 5 star tune. Was able to run regular, got couple mpg more unless I floored it. Then it was just plain fun with more getup and go
 

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Technically lower octane fuels are high energy (chemical energy potential), but the problem arises with fuel volatility as mentioned above. If the fuel is too volatile for the heat in the combustion chamber on the intake / compression stroke, then it will auto ignite before intended and lead to non-ideal and often damaging conditions.

Higher octane fuels are less volatile, but technically also have slightly lower chemical potential energy. Their advantage comes in the fact that you can optimize the timing and compression that offer a net benefit to extract more potential energy from that fuel.

My advice is focus more on making ideal conditions for your engine rather than chasing a few HP under ideal conditions. I.E., I'd rather focus on allow that engine to make it rated power over as much of the environmental range as possible than 20hp more on a 70-degree balmy day but making 40 hp less on a hot, making the vehicle feel inconsistent.

Over the years I've learned this leads to more enjoyable experience than anything (in addition to the fact that your vehicle maintains its optimal function over its lifespan). I've seen dynos of some LS V8's make 50 hp LESS on a dyno than rated (stock engines) due to buildup on the injectors, lack of maintenance and fuel quality issues (around 100k+ miles of wear and tear). But I've also seen a maintenance overhaul restore that to within a few HP of factory new or even slightly better (due to wear in actually enhancing power).

One of the biggest things is to use good quality oil changed regularly to prevent vaporization. Oil vapors in the PCV system really kill timing advance, it's a commonly know performance killer in the 5.0L GT's on track days. Since those are NA, you can run a catch can help, but fresh synthetic oil and high-quality fuel is still the winner. There's not much to "catch" if there's not much vaporization!

Turbos complicate that because you need a dual valve catch can for vacuum and boost operation, i've found a lot of those valves to be sub-optimal and can gum up so I'm not personally a fan of cans fur turbo engines. Also avoid any of those dry or K&N filters, they allow far more dust contamination and are only suitable for on-road track conditions, anything else you're just coating your intake and valves with fine dust that gets through which is going to rob you of far more power than the measly 10hp gains, especially as the miles pile on and the rings begin to wear faster, robbign you of compression!

Not only that, but their dust capacity is 1/3 that of a paper filter, so they flow better for a very short time, then clog up and flow WORSE than a paper filter by a considerable margin, making LESS power. So that's why I say their application works for on-road racing where it makes some sense (not many miles, fairly low dust conditions), but not for the majority of applications.

Sorry for another long post, but it's a bit of a complex issue with many facets to it. Engines are fickle like the human body, but consistency is built through rigorous maintenance and trying to create the ideal environment to maximize performance.
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