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Still mulling over the Pro Cal and looking for a good collection of feedback from everyone's experiences with it. Some say it's the best thing for the RR since filling up with premium...some say it's not worth the price of admission...some say stock for long term reliability concerns or the ability to run 87 for more frequent use cases. Lots of varying opinions, just looking for a variety of feedback.
Summary of What We Know / Things to Consider
1. We now know the 10R60 is rated for 600 lb-ft of input torque. With the factory output maximum of 430 lb-ft, there's a 29% safety margine which is close to a 2/3 de-rating for high reliability. The Pro Cal does cut that margine down to about 10% but certainly does NOT exceed the input torque rating.
Also, the 600 lb-ft input torque rating is the maximum input torque the 10R60 can handle and still achieve its rated service life (150k-200k which is typical of OE life span expectations). So, while it does reduce the safety margin, how meaningful that will be long term is debatable (if it has any significant impact at all remains to be seen).
2. We also know that Ford Performance has their 3yr/36k supplemental warranty to cover any damage IF it was found the Pro Cal caused it. Beyond that you're relying on the factory / extended warranties after that point and they are still valid for any failures NOT deemed to be caused by Pro Cal (i.e., a cam phasor goes out, which I think is unlikely to be deemed to be caused by the Pro Cal given the history of that issue). There is increased risk, but it's low.
3. Requires 91 or higher octane. The added power / torque is coming from eliminating the need for the ECU to scale back timing if the driver suddenly switches from 91 back down to 87. You can only get so aggressive of 91 when having to scale back timing advance fast enough in that event.
4. The Pro Cal does NOT affect towing as directly stated by Ford Performance.
5. Ford Performance also states they extensively tested BOTH the engine and driveline for durability, so despite cutting the safety margine down from 29% to 10%, it is still well tested none the less.
6. Requires install by ASE certified tech for warranty. Levittown has it for about $685, so add in labor of around $150, it's not terribly expensive.
What's your personal experiences with the Pro Cal vs. stock? Looking for details, specific things you like or dislike to really consider whether to go Pro Cal or stay stock. I've used FP products in the past as my 2016 GT PP had a Stage 2 Power Pack, but not all of FP's Cal's are worth it (some are very modest and just not worth the price, while others provide substantial enhancements).
Summary of What We Know / Things to Consider
1. We now know the 10R60 is rated for 600 lb-ft of input torque. With the factory output maximum of 430 lb-ft, there's a 29% safety margine which is close to a 2/3 de-rating for high reliability. The Pro Cal does cut that margine down to about 10% but certainly does NOT exceed the input torque rating.
Also, the 600 lb-ft input torque rating is the maximum input torque the 10R60 can handle and still achieve its rated service life (150k-200k which is typical of OE life span expectations). So, while it does reduce the safety margin, how meaningful that will be long term is debatable (if it has any significant impact at all remains to be seen).
2. We also know that Ford Performance has their 3yr/36k supplemental warranty to cover any damage IF it was found the Pro Cal caused it. Beyond that you're relying on the factory / extended warranties after that point and they are still valid for any failures NOT deemed to be caused by Pro Cal (i.e., a cam phasor goes out, which I think is unlikely to be deemed to be caused by the Pro Cal given the history of that issue). There is increased risk, but it's low.
3. Requires 91 or higher octane. The added power / torque is coming from eliminating the need for the ECU to scale back timing if the driver suddenly switches from 91 back down to 87. You can only get so aggressive of 91 when having to scale back timing advance fast enough in that event.
4. The Pro Cal does NOT affect towing as directly stated by Ford Performance.
5. Ford Performance also states they extensively tested BOTH the engine and driveline for durability, so despite cutting the safety margine down from 29% to 10%, it is still well tested none the less.
6. Requires install by ASE certified tech for warranty. Levittown has it for about $685, so add in labor of around $150, it's not terribly expensive.
What's your personal experiences with the Pro Cal vs. stock? Looking for details, specific things you like or dislike to really consider whether to go Pro Cal or stay stock. I've used FP products in the past as my 2016 GT PP had a Stage 2 Power Pack, but not all of FP's Cal's are worth it (some are very modest and just not worth the price, while others provide substantial enhancements).
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