2024 Ranger Raptor Winch Bumpers?

[ivotuk]

I've been looking around for an after market bumper/winch combo, and can't seem to find one.

Anybody have suggestions?

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[jensht]

You may want to look at the maximum permissable front axle load. The Ranger Raptor is near it's axle rating in stock trim. Adding a bumper and winch can easily overload it.

 

[Wayfaring Ranger]

https://www.arb.com.au/ford-ranger-next-generation-2022-present/

 

[HighDesertRanger]

Ironman 4x4 has a few options for the Australian market too. Hopefully destined for the US market eventually.

https://www.ironman4x4.com/bull-bars-to-suit-ford-raptor-next-gen-2022/?filters=mms[2563]

 

[Blueskyday]

Any more thoughts on winches?

@jensht post is the only one I've seen...and is rather ominous....

I don't want a huge bumper or bar... But I'd really like to have a front winch.

They've come in handy enough in the past, that I really don't want to not have one.

If it's really a no-go with the front suspension... I guess I could get a rear hitch based mount for one, and just keep it in the truck... But dear Lord that would suck if you ever screwed up at speed, and it rattled around the cabin in an accident....

 

[jensht]

Any more thoughts on winches?

@jensht post is the only one I've seen...and is rather ominous....

I don't want a huge bumper or bar... But I'd really like to have a front winch.

They've come in handy enough in the past, that I really don't want to not have one.

If it's really a no-go with the front suspension... I guess I could get a rear hitch based mount for one, and just keep it in the truck... But dear Lord that would suck if you ever screwed up at speed, and it rattled around the cabin in an accident....

If you intend on using the Ranger Raptor to its "Baja" potential, then I would be concerned about the extra weight up front, considering the low axle load limit. But if you don't intend to jump it and bash into things, you'll probably be fine. I did have a winch on my first gen Ranger Raptor (similar weight concerns) and the front impacts were noticeably harder after I added the winch. Most of my Offroad driving was lower speeds as we don't really have the wide open spaces in Europe where one can open it up, offroad, for long stretches. But I had to be more careful coming down rock steps and bigger drops with the extra weight up front and already softer suspension.

I did add stiffer springs (Old Man Emu) to counteract some of the body motions, but without the winch and stock suspension it just felt better Offroad...but not having a winch and going alone on trails isn't something I felt comfortable doing.

 

[Blueskyday]

Ok thankyou. I figure it might add 150#s? total (bumper and winch) with synthetic line?

You've mentioned the low axle limit twice now. I'm a bartender not a mechanic nor engineer. What is the axle limit, how close are we to it, and what are the repercussions? Other than...well...shit breaks stupid... lol

I'm on the US east coast... So Baja running isn't really what I'm looking at.

snow(sometimes big), mostly chill, yet soft and deep beach riding, twisty back roads, street, and some medium trails are what I'd be looking at.

All I'm towing is a double Jetski trailer, 5000#s absolute max.

It's down to ranger raptor and hybrid Tacoma for me. I just don't have a ton of faith in the new taco, and the one I actually want (trailhunter or build up a premium) is like $70k ...

RR seems to be where I should go.

No winch makes the whole thing a no go for me though. I've just gotten to used to having one. That's why I'm looking for this specific advice.
thankyou...

 

[jensht]

Ok thankyou. I figure it might add 150#s? total (bumper and winch) with synthetic line?

You've mentioned the low axle limit twice now. I'm a bartender not a mechanic nor engineer. What is the axle limit, how close are we to it, and what are the repercussions? Other than...well...shit breaks stupid... lol

I'm on the US east coast... So Baja running isn't really what I'm looking at.

snow(sometimes big), mostly chill, yet soft and deep beach riding, twisty back roads, street, and some medium trails are what I'd be looking at.

All I'm towing is a double Jetski trailer, 5000#s absolute max.

It's down to ranger raptor and hybrid Tacoma for me. I just don't have a ton of faith in the new taco, and the one I actually want (trailhunter or build up a premium) is like $70k ...

RR seems to be where I should go.

No winch makes the whole thing a no go for me though. I've just gotten to used to having one. That's why I'm looking for this specific advice.
thankyou...

I don't have it in front of me right now, but I think the permissable weight on the front axle only allows for about 75 kg (165 lbs). From your description I wouldn't really worry about it. I guess if you do see a nice tempting jump, take it easy

The main thing I would do in your case is to keep an eye out on drops as you'll more easily bottom out the front end. Happens much faster than you think, but the truck obviously can take a bit of abuse as well.

There also are plenty of folks offroading the trucks with winches and don't have failures. I think big jumps would be the biggest issue with the weight hanging off the front.

 

[Bonus Oz]

Never heard such crap in all my life , are we saying adding a 10kg bumper and 10kg winch will overload the front axle?
how will it cope with the 5 passengers weighing 150kg each , but there only meant to weigh 75kgs ……
because a spring is designed to compress at a specific rate and I doubt it will even recognise 20kg .
There designed with a backup factor.

I’ve had more than 10kg of bug guts on the front of my truck and guess what …. The handling was exactly the same as ever and I would go as far as saying if I ran the same track in stock mode and the second time with a fat bird strapped to the front I would not feel any difference whatsoever.

 

[jensht]

Never heard such crap in all my life , are we saying adding a 10kg bumper and 10kg winch will overload the front axle?
how will it cope with the 5 passengers weighing 150kg each , but there only meant to weigh 75kgs ……
because a spring is designed to compress at a specific rate and I doubt it will even recognise 20kg .
There designed with a backup factor.

I’ve had more than 10kg of bug guts on the front of my truck and guess what …. The handling was exactly the same as ever and I would go as far as saying if I ran the same track in stock mode and the second time with a fat bird strapped to the front I would not feel any difference whatsoever.

Show me a 10 kg bumper and winch...also, do you have the 5 passengers sit on the front bumper?

There is always a compromise when designing things. Ford decided that in order to be confident that the vehicle can hold up to hard landings, AND offer warranty, it had to reduce the front axle load limit.

Also, fitting 5x 150kg folks into the Ranger might be a tight squeeze...not to forget that the Ranger Raptors ENTIRE payload capacity wouldn't accommodate those 5 people...even the F150 Raptor payload isn't enough for that.

Can one overload a vehicle without it breaking...of course. But Ford engineered for certain applications at a specific price point. Hauling 5x 150kg people isn't something they designed the Ranger Raptor to do...

Will mounting a winch and driving it in a reasonable manner break anything, probably not. Can Ford void the warranty for any suspension/frame related problems if the truck is overloaded, possibly. Can someone break the truck by launching it 20 feet in the air without a winch...you bet. It all depends on the level of mechanical sympathy one has.

You do you, the manufacturer has specs. Nobody says you have to abide by them.

 

[Slyder]

Any more thoughts on winches?

@jensht post is the only one I've seen...and is rather ominous....

I don't want a huge bumper or bar... But I'd really like to have a front winch.

They've come in handy enough in the past, that I really don't want to not have one.

If it's really a no-go with the front suspension... I guess I could get a rear hitch based mount for one, and just keep it in the truck... But dear Lord that would suck if you ever screwed up at speed, and it rattled around the cabin in an accident....

There really isn't much out there for the NA Ranger Raptor as of yet.

I know SVC Offroad does a lot of Raptor stuff and would inquire with them if they plan on anything.

They have a winch bumper for the G5 Ranger, but nothing listed for the G6 Ranger/Ranger Raptor.

 

[Bonus Oz]

I’ll show you nothing .
I expect Germany has the internet .
many Australian manufacturers are making bumpers under 10kg and there is hundreds of winches available sub 10kg..
Neither of which will make the slightest difference to the handling or warranty .
Ford will even fit most of it for you in Australia so I don’t know what that tells you.

 

[JustNick]

Out of curiosity, where did you find this axle limit? I'm struggling to find anything official from Ford stating the limits for the front axle at all, but what I could find on third party sites imply a 600lbs remaining capacity on the front

 

[jensht]

I’ll show you nothing .
I expect Germany has the internet .
many Australian manufacturers are making bumpers under 10kg and there is hundreds of winches available sub 10kg..
Neither of which will make the slightest difference to the handling or warranty .
Ford will even fit most of it for you in Australia so I don’t know what that tells you.

Yes, Germany has the Internet...it also shows that a reasonable winch weights around 40 kgs plus mounting plate, cable, etc.

A 10kg bumper...even the plastic bumpers from ARB weight over 30kgs without the winch mounting plate.

Isn't the Internet great, suddenly we are all experts and lawyers when we have an opinion

 

[jensht]

Out of curiosity, where did you find this axle limit? I'm struggling to find anything official from Ford stating the limits for the front axle at all, but what I could find on third party sites imply a 600lbs remaining capacity on the front

In Europe one gets a conformity sheet with a new car, it has the axle ratings, and other things in it. I don't have a copy of that, but here is a PDF with the weights (page 28) from Australia. But considering that the trucks are pretty much the same globally the weights should be similar.

From that:

Front axle max: 1520 kg (-20 kg from 1st gen)
Rear axle max: 1700 kg (+160 kg from 1st gen)

On a scale mine was (no winch, aluminum Hardtop with awning and 4x recovery boards, decked drawers with recovery gear, me at roughly 80kg, and a full tank of gas):
Total: 2990kg
Front: 1480 kg
Rear: 1510 kg

Remaining payload:
Total: 140 kg
Front: 40 kg
Rear: 190 kg

It shows how quickly one can overload the truck without much being added. Add a winch, roof top tent, camping stuff, another person, and the truck is already overloaded. It does handle the weight well with the power and wide track, but I didn't go full send on every bump I saw.

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