Ranger Raptor - 35’s

[Rangeover]

Well said, Loving this idea.

Another Key to this is the Damper tuning and keeping the Unsprung weight as close to stock as possible.

You are right. My point was to demonstrate one doesn’t have to go heavier to go 35 thanks to some options available. Once we know the stock tire wheel combo weight, it will be easy to pick a wheel +35 combo (either my proposed combo or something else) that closely match that.

I still would have liked a 35 performance package from the factory with the proper lift and gearing ratio. Ford really missed on that point. Their argument about travel is moot because they already offer a 37 package on the F150 that limits travel anyway. People want a 35 package on the ranger raptor for sure. Have it as an option. Chevy did it on the new ZR2.
For me this and lack of ventilated seats are the biggest miss on the RR. That and the dealer markup as I bought my Bronco for invoice below MSRP but even that dealer won’t do MSRP for me on the RR.

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[CrookedLetta]

You are right. My point was to demonstrate one doesn’t have to go heavier to go 35 thanks to some options available. Once we know the stock tire wheel combo weight, it will be easy to pick a wheel +35 combo (either my proposed combo or something else) that closely match that.

I still would have liked a 35 performance package from the factory with the proper lift and gearing ratio. Ford really missed on that point. Their argument about travel is moot because they already offer a 37 package on the F150 that limits travel anyway. People want a 35 package on the ranger raptor for sure. Have it as an option. Chevy did it on the new ZR2.
For me this and lack of ventilated seats are the biggest miss on the RR. That and the dealer markup as I bought my Bronco for invoice below MSRP but even that dealer won’t do MSRP for me on the RR.

Dealer markup not even sure I will bite, I was patient with my RS and got under MSRP. Like the RS i doubt there will be D plan, so I'm already forgoing that on the RR. Second hand slightly used doesnt bother me either, got my GT350 for 50K 1.5 years old 7k on it, some people were paying 90K, no thanks LOL

 

[ThickGatorade]

You are right. My point was to demonstrate one doesn’t have to go heavier to go 35 thanks to some options available. Once we know the stock tire wheel combo weight, it will be easy to pick a wheel +35 combo (either my proposed combo or something else) that closely match that.

I still would have liked a 35 performance package from the factory with the proper lift and gearing ratio. Ford really missed on that point. Their argument about travel is moot because they already offer a 37 package on the F150 that limits travel anyway. People want a 35 package on the ranger raptor for sure. Have it as an option. Chevy did it on the new ZR2.
For me this and lack of ventilated seats are the biggest miss on the RR. That and the dealer markup as I bought my Bronco for invoice below MSRP but even that dealer won’t do MSRP for me on the RR.

I think they are for sure going to do a 35 PP on these it'll just be a matter of time. I doubt they'll regear it. Funny to take note how they left the ratio for the M210 AR package from the Bronco in the Specs page for the Ranger Raptor: "Final drive front axle ratio 4.70:1 ". I believe it will remain a 3.73 even when they launch an R model.

Totally agree on the ventilated seats as well. I can understand omission on the Bronco but why the Ranger. It's likely blamed on chip shortages but they really should have finally had that as an option. Sadly the seats aren't even too spectacular. I swapped the MGV to the leather seats in my Bronco Raptor (I wanted the vinyl floor from the factory) and it's since got me thinking about getting another set to put into the Ranger Raptor. Possibly even find the guts from an Explorers TEC seats and DIY the ventilated seat option considering the controls are in the HMI anyways. Would just be some technical effort with Forscan and perhaps wire magic. I don't think the Braptor seats are actually perforated but that's a minor problem in the grand idea.

 

[mykrrrr]

I'm with @ThickGatorade on the 35PP speculation. Why would Ford throw every variant possible at launch? Develop and bring out more variants over the life cycle of the vehicle and create more hype. Maybe someone who got an OG RR wants to upgrade a couple years later or whatever, that creates more repeat business.

 

[goalieThreeOne]

I know exactly how to put 35s on this.

First of all, it’s been proven in multiple videos that you want at least +25mm offset for minimal rubbing.
Second, all the videos with 35s on youtube are true 35in tires. I am perfectly happy with « false » 35s (think 34.4in) 315/70/17 like KO2s or Territory MT. This + the right offset will guarantee 0 rubbing.
Third, the main issue is weight. Good news is my proposed setup will be lighter than stock + 33s.

Perfect setup:
- RTR Tech 6 wheels 9x17 with +30 offset. Those are the lightest wheels in the world in this price range at 22lbs. That‘s about 15lbs less per wheel than bronco stock wheels. Source RTR: https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/threads/rtr-evo-6-wheels.55249/

- Territory MT 315/70/17 tires. I have those on my Bronco, they have incredible all around traction including on snow but the best is those are the lightest 35s in the world by far. In fact they weight pretty much the same as 33in KO2, and much much less than any other 35in tire out there.

There you have it, substantially lighter setup than stock 33s no to minimal rubbing stock and guaranteed no rubbing with a level kit spring.

KO3 weight remains to be seen. Because the Tech 6 wheels are so light, I guess 315/70/17 KO3s with those wheels should equal the weight of stock wheels + 33s and work fine, but distribution will be different (more weight on the tire, less on the wheel, so that’s worst in term of acceleration and braking).

People who put monsterly heavy tires on their vehicle break my heart. Some of those 35s like Nitto tires are 25lbs more per tire than my Territory. Thats 125lbs of payload lost, and a massive amount of added rotational mass that will kill MPG, acceleration and breaking alike, while stressing components more. Ridiculous.
I rock crawl, go 70mph on baja style terrain all over Utah and never had a flat with thousands of offroad miles on the territory, so clearly the added weight is not justified in any way.

Why not something narrower like a 255/85/17? Lower the weight even more, or maybe offset using a sturdier tire. Should be more efficient on-road, too. Would probably allow you to clear with less offset.

 

[SurfRanger]

Why not something narrower like a 255/85/17? Lower the weight even more, or maybe offset using a sturdier tire. Should be more efficient on-road, too. Would probably allow you to clear with less offset.

Speaking of, watched one of the best videos ive found on that exact topic today.

 

[goalieThreeOne]

Speaking of, watched one of the best videos ive found on that exact topic today.

Where do you think I got the idea?

 

[Rangeover]

Why not something narrower like a 255/85/17? Lower the weight even more, or maybe offset using a sturdier tire. Should be more efficient on-road, too. Would probably allow you to clear with less offset.

Nope. The only available tire in your suggested size on Discount Tire is 65 lbs per tire, 13 lbs more per tire than the Territory MT 315/70/17 I suggested. When I said those are light, I wasnt joking.
Pizza cutter tires that are actually significantly heavier? I will pass.

https://www.discounttire.com/buy-tires/mickey-thompson-baja-boss-a-t/p/100894

 

[ThickGatorade]

Not dissuading anyone from picking the Territory as an option because of weight but it’s not a tire really made for aftermarket application. It was designed under contract to supply OEM’s with a factory option tire on vehicles branded towards off-road lifestyle. It’s very much and by design a jack of all trades and intentionally a master of none. It’s decent for what it is but it’s not something I would suggest to someone over other options that have been truly designed to play the role they’re used for. This is purely my own thoughts on it though and is based on a few years experience in the usage of them while they were being fielded.

I have recently switched out my factory Territory’s on my Bronco Badlands for KO2’s in the same size. Gained 9 pounds a wheel (according to the Toledo scale at Discount Tire) and a quieter, more comfortable ride. Easily a sacrifice I would make again. Which could come in lighter than factory with a wheel exchange as you have said but it’s not the goal for me.

 

[SGT Ranger]

Why not something narrower like a 255/85/17? Lower the weight even more, or maybe offset using a sturdier tire. Should be more efficient on-road, too. Would probably allow you to clear with less offset.

Sadly the only option are Mickey Thompsons in this size at $350 a pop. At least last time I checked, which was recently. I planned to get these on my current ranger when my Toyo 33's finally wore out.

 

[Rangeover]

Not dissuading anyone from picking the Territory as an option because of weight but it’s not a tire really made for aftermarket application. It was designed under contract to supply OEM’s with a factory option tire on vehicles branded towards off-road lifestyle. It’s very much and by design a jack of all trades and intentionally a master of none. It’s decent for what it is but it’s not something I would suggest to someone over other options that have been truly designed to play the role they’re used for. This is purely my own thoughts on it though and is based on a few years experience in the usage of them while they were being fielded.

I have recently switched out my factory Territory’s on my Bronco Badlands for KO2’s in the same size. Gained 9 pounds a wheel (according to the Toledo scale at Discount Tire) and a quieter, more comfortable ride. Easily a sacrifice I would make again. Which could come in lighter than factory with a wheel exchange as you have said but it’s not the goal for me.

Interesting feedback. However my experience is the opposite. I have 20K miles on my Badlands with Territory, and we did extensive comparisons with my BF who has a Badlands on KO2s. Territories are the same noise level (in fact 1dB less as measured on the highway driving at the same time), and provided for a better traction on wet roads and on snow (as tested in Utah during the highest snowfalls season ever recorded).

Nevertheless I look forward to what the KO3 will bring to the table and I agree that 9 pounds (which you can offset with light wheels) would be a decent sacrifice for a much better tire (which is not the case of the KO2 per my experience).

Any other tires from that category are significantly heavier than both the Territory and the KOs and are not worth it IMO.

 

[ThickGatorade]

Interesting feedback. However my experience is the opposite. I have 20K miles on my Badlands with Territory, and we did extensive comparisons with my BF who has a Badlands on KO2s. Territories are the same noise level (in fact 1dB less as measured on the highway driving at the same time), and provided for a better traction on wet roads and on snow (as tested in Utah during the highest snowfalls season ever recorded).

Nevertheless I look forward to what the KO3 will bring to the table and I agree that 9 pounds (which you can offset with light wheels) would be a decent sacrifice for a much better tire (which is not the case of the KO2 per my experience).

Any other tires from that category are significantly heavier than both the Territory and the KOs and are not worth it IMO.

Oh for sure that’s why it’s an individual experience and preference. I’ve had KO2’s since launch so my experience could be biased through the years knowing how the behave. I found and was told during development that the Territory really isn’t designed to be a customer pick. I had numerous issues personally but again that could be my usage being based on a KO2 and knowing the limitations and how to apply them.

 

[Ford Motor Company]

I agree. It definitely looks better with 35's, but I personally don't like the wheels sticking out like in that video. They did admit that the offset wasn't friendly and to choose a more proper positive offset so I'll give them that. I think I would leave it alone but there is a small possibility that I would put 35's just to look better if they sit flush with the fenders.

I'm sure someone will make fiberglass/carbon fiber fenders and bedsides. I am partial to the widebody look and you can keep all of the Raptor features while making the truck look beefier.

Here's some pics of my 5g with wide body and 35's, and I can't help but look at the Ranger Raptor as more skinny now although I know it is a beast.

Love these pics of your Ranger! Thank you for sharing these with everyone.

 

[jensht]

I wanted to chime in with my 35" experience.

After having both 315/70R17 (General Grabber AT3) and 35x12.5R17 (General Grabber X3) on the 1st Gen Ranger Raptor I swapped them over to the new one.

Surprisingly the front wheel well appears to have less space for this than the previous truck, or the vehicle has more upwards travel.

• Same as 1st Gen - Removal of front mud flaps
• Same as 1st Gen - Minor triming needed behind the front mud flap
• Same as 1st Gen - Rears have no issue with clearance
• Problem with 2nd Gen - Not enough clearance at full compression on the front. Both tires, much worse with 35x12.5R17, don't have enough clearance at the top of the wheel well at full compression. There is noticeable rubbing on the top of the wheel well. Enough that I elected to keep the stock tires as I can see this causing issues Offroad and potentially ripping the fender flares off at full compression when turning.
• Better with 2nd Gen - Spare tire now physically fits in stock position, however, it touches the exhaust on the right side. I think this could be fixed with a slight adjustment of the exhaust and some heat wrap.

Wheels used on both trucks: 8.5 x 17 ET 30

 

[DirtyRanger]

Why would Ford throw every variant possible at launch? Develop and bring out more variants over the life cycle of the vehicle and create more hype.

a little louder for the people in the back.

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