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[John B]

And for those getting into the #s, the accepted drivetrain loss on modern auto transmissions is around 12 to 15%, based on a dyno jet vs published oem. Results from a mustang dyno will show a somewhat higher % loss. But really, dynos are best used for tuning, and for comparing before and after numbers under identical conditions on the same vehicle to see if a modification has had the intended results. Dyno results from different units at different locations, temps, altitudes, vehicles, etc simply cannot be used to justify online "pissing" contests. I came from a high hp mustang world and some of the dyno result arguments could just get ridiculous.

But I am glad to see another tuner enter the game, since more custom tuning will be required when folks start modifying turbos, fuel components, etc.

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[GLT]

For those of you who are criticizing Goose Tunes, I would strongly encourage you to go to fordraptorforum.com and read the literally hundreds of pages of universally positive reviews and information regarding Winfield and his Raptor tuning on the Gen 2 and Gen 3. I have never seen a single negative review of Goose Tunes or his products, and especially his expertise and customer service. His Ranger Raptor tune is a custom tune (it's right there in the title) so I strongly suspect he can tune for 93 octane, both stage 1 and stage 2 (aftermarket intercooler required for stage 2). I have personally run Goose's tunes (stage 2 93 octane on both) on both my Gen 2 and Gen 3 Raptors for the past 6 years -- they have been absolutely flawless, and the power/torque gains are crazy. I haven't dug into the numbers on the RR tune but can guarantee you the performance, especially a 93 octane tune, will significantly beat the Ford Performance tune, just like it does in the F-150 Raptor. These statements regarding "voiding the warranty" are overblown, blanket, overbroad and are old and tired.

 

[ChronciallyChronic]

For those of you who are criticizing Goose Tunes, I would strongly encourage you to go to fordraptorforum.com and read the literally hundreds of pages of universally positive reviews and information regarding Winfield and his Raptor tuning on the Gen 2 and Gen 3. I have never seen a single negative review of Goose Tunes or his products, and especially his expertise and customer service. His Ranger Raptor tune is a custom tune (it's right there in the title) so I strongly suspect he can tune for 93 octane, both stage 1 and stage 2 (aftermarket intercooler required for stage 2). I have personally run Goose's tunes (stage 2 93 octane on both) on both my Gen 2 and Gen 3 Raptors for the past 6 years -- they have been absolutely flawless, and the power/torque gains are crazy. I haven't dug into the numbers on the RR tune but can guarantee you the performance, especially a 93 octane tune, will significantly beat the Ford Performance tune, just like it does in the F-150 Raptor. These statements regarding "voiding the warranty" are overblown, blanket, overbroad and are old and tired.

Asking whether a non-Ford tune voids any warranties is not "overblown, blanket, overbroad" nor are those question "old and tired". It is more than valid to ask about the status of a warranty after such a tune. Why is that? Easy, you bring that truck in for any kind of warranty service, dealer service plugs into the OBD2 port and the truck tells them about the tune......and Ford says "NOPE" due to the tune you are on the hook. My apologies for this concern being beneath you.

 

[bluemarlin25]

These arguments reminds me of…

a 60+ year old guy going to a “gentleman’s “ club and thinks the 22 yr old woman is really attracted to him

20 percent of my driving is within roads with a 35 mph speed limit

but I still like having more hp

now, in hindsight, that analogy doesn’t make any sense

but I swear when I started typing I had a point

carryon

 

[Appleman1le]

Do their tunes void any warranty elements?

yes 100%

 

[GLT]

Asking whether a non-Ford tune voids any warranties is not "overblown, blanket, overbroad" nor are those question "old and tired". It is more than valid to ask about the status of a warranty after such a tune. Why is that? Easy, you bring that truck in for any kind of warranty service, dealer service plugs into the OBD2 port and the truck tells them about the tune......and Ford says "NOPE" due to the tune you are on the hook. My apologies for this concern being beneath you.

I'm not sure what "beneath you" means, so again, I would encourage those in the market for a tune to do their research, specifically, in this context, Goose Tunes. I've personally not seen, read about or heard of any engine, transmission or other issue/problem that was attributed to Goose's factory equipment tunes, including any that resulted in a warranty claim being denied. That is what I meant by the phrase "overblown, blanket and overbroad" -- potential consumers may genuinely be concerned about warranty issues, which is perfectly understandable, but practically speaking, with respect to Winfield's factory equipment tunes, this is not an issue that has manifested in real life. I cannot 100% confirm the number is zero; I just haven't seen it mentioned or reported (with respect to Winfield's tunes) on the forums, FB, insta, X, youtube, etc. in the 6-7 years I've been following Winfield's work.

Is there more risk than the Ford Performance warranty? On paper, yes maybe, but in reality, no, not for Goose's factory equipment tunes. Your opinion may differ, and that's perfectly fine, but I'm simply asking potential purchasers of tunes to educate themselves and be fully informed. Again, these blanket statements that we see all the time on forums that an engine/PCM tune "voids the factory warranty" are simply not accurate -- that is what is "old and tired." As an example, dozens of F-150 Raptor owners who were tuned had cam phasers replaced under warranty. Why? Because the tune didn't cause the failure.

 

[JustNick]

Ford will immediately refuse any warranty claim with the any aftermarket tune including Goose, except for the FP tune. End of conversation. Your anecdotal information, feelings and personal bias information, isn’t going to change it either. The statements are accurate to a “T” and truthful, despite your insistence otherwise.

You sound suspiciously like the same individual who got banned from Goose tuning, for advertising without being a forum vendor or someone being pushed to advertised for them. This would be a personal integrity issue, after being informed they needed to be a vendor to push a product, just like you’re doing. Hope you’re not the same individual but we’ll find out soon enough.

Personally, I believe you’re same individual, especially after these statements.

*****If they want to advertise, become a vendor and pay for the privilege.*****

Goose has definitely toggled off both boost and torque limiters, along with several of ECU safety parameters to get these numbers. This in itself allows turbos to over-spool max rpm limits, which makes turbos bearing failure imminent. Guess what, they just happen to sell upgraded turbos……..

Additionally issues; much shortened reliability and longevity of engine/drivetrain.

There’s no street tune worth $2600+.

You dropped your tin hat while you were typing, let me get that for you.

Do you have some insider info about their tuning methods to back up your statement about turning off safety parameters? You're sounding like someone that works for a competing tuner, how do we know you're not trying to dissuade people from buying goose tunes so they buy yours instead? Hmmmm?

And they're a speed shop, of course they also sell upgraded turbos. That's like saying you find it unethical Walmart sells you both laxatives and toilet paper

 

[pablo94sc]

You dropped your tin hat while you were typing, let me get that for you.

Do you have some insider info about their tuning methods to back up your statement about turning off safety parameters? You're sounding like someone that works for a competing tuner, how do we know you're not trying to dissuade people from buying goose tunes so they buy yours instead? Hmmmm?

And they're a speed shop, of course they also sell upgraded turbos. That's like saying you find it unethical Walmart sells you both laxatives and toilet paper

I'm siding with Hobb on this. Goose Tuning could be the best thing since sliced bread, but I've been in online forums long enough to know when something seems off, it's best to err on the side of caution. There simply isn't enough information to make a fully informed decision.

 

[Goosetuned]

no 93 octane tune??

I wonder if those power numbers were actually from a bronco or a raptor. Would Tire size/wheel weight will have an effect on the numbers on the dyno? No one is throwing 33-37" tires on a explorer which may be why ST's are showing better results.

The numbers were from a Bronco Raptor, that is correct. But also being on 91ACN fuel, it's pretty much like tuning 88-89oct.

I'll be testing on proper 91-93 in the coming weeks. Very limited out here.

The baseline dyno for them were within a couple of horsepower of each other, so I think the results were normalized for tire size. I'm thinking maybe there's some other limitation at play here like fueling. The lack of 93 octane tune was surprising to me too, especially since the 91 octane tune has a note that it's for poor quality 91. Odd choices for sure

It's fueling. All we have in this area is 91ACN (88-89oct in other states), so we've pretty limited.

Goose tuned is advertising a 77hp and increase and 104tq increase w/ 91 octane for $2650. You loose the active exhaust functionality as well as the warranty on anything that the aftermarket ECU controls.
Ford Performance advertises 55hp increase and 83tq increase w/ 91 octane for $825 (can usually be found for $600). You retain all of the trucks OE features as well as a 3 year / 36k Ford warranty.

Is more than triple the cost, warranty voiding, and loosing OE features really worth 22 more hp and 21 more torque?

Hell no!

Ford Performance tune will NOT make +77whp +104wtq on 91ACN fuel, please understand that. At best it will make +30whp.

I have a nice update coming soon on the power side of things.

You don't lose exhaust functionality with my product, not sure where you heard that because I've never mentioned that with my offerings. And if you're comparing me to what another company is offering please don't, or just ask me first for correct information.

I don't jump directly into platforms immediately, specifically for this reason, lack of functionality/missing tables/etc. If I'm in a platform, I'm in it to do things the right way.

 

[JustNick]

I'm siding with Hobb on this. Goose Tuning could be the best thing since sliced bread, but I've been in online forums long enough to know when something seems off, it's best to err on the side of caution. There simply isn't enough information to make a fully informed decision.

Please expound on what feels off about this. I'm genuinely curious

We can't lament the fact that we don't have enough options for tunes and then crucify another forum member for giving testimony of their experience with a tuner from a different platform.

Also just to be clear I do agree it's expensive, but a lot of the cost is the new ECU. Once/if a crack is found to tune our ECUs directly, the prices will drop significantly

 

[Goosetuned]

Ford will immediately refuse any warranty claim with the any aftermarket tune including Goose, except for the FP tune. End of conversation. Your anecdotal information, feelings and personal bias information, isn’t going to change it either. The statements are accurate to a “T” and truthful, despite your insistence otherwise.

You sound suspiciously like the same individual who got banned from Goose tuning, for advertising without being a forum vendor or someone being pushed to advertised for them. This would be a personal integrity issue, after being informed they needed to be a vendor to push a product, just like you’re doing. Hope you’re not the same individual but we’ll find out soon enough.

Personally, I believe you’re same individual, especially after these statements.

*****If they want to advertise, become a vendor and pay for the privilege.*****

Goose has definitely toggled off both boost and torque limiters, along with several of ECU safety parameters to get these numbers. This in itself allows turbos to over-spool max rpm limits, which makes turbos bearing failure imminent. Guess what, they just happen to sell upgraded turbos……..

Additionally issues; much shortened reliability and longevity of engine/drivetrain.

There’s no street tune worth $2600+.

Nobody was banned, please do not make stuff up. If you have to pay to advertise, then that's what I'll do. I don't use other companies to advertise for me to avoid fees, you have to pay to play. I also don't use other peoples vehicles to test on...again, you have to pay to play. If you know so much about me, then you'd know I pay to play.

Toggled off limiters??... where are you getting that from? Stop lying, you are incorrect. Now, if other tuners do that to make power, don't project that on me. I'm not like other companies. My focus is safe reliable power.

I sell upgraded turbos just like every other company does. This is a typical upgrade path for performance vehicles like this. Is this your first time modifying something?

I'd recommend doing some research before making up blatant lies, I've been around longer than most.

This customers is making +100whp, nothing "toggled", no 'over-spool max rpm limits'...etc....just solid tuning.

 

[JustNick]

The numbers were from a Bronco Raptor, that is correct. But also being on 91ACN fuel, it's pretty much like tuning 88-89oct.

I'll be testing on proper 91-93 in the coming weeks. Very limited out here.




It's fueling. All we have in this area is 91ACN (88-89oct in other states), so we've pretty limited.



Ford Performance tune will NOT make +77whp +104wtq on 91ACN fuel, please understand that. At best it will make +30whp.

I have a nice update coming soon on the power side of things.

You don't lose exhaust functionality with my product, not sure where you heard that because I've never mentioned that with my offerings. And if you're comparing me to what another company is offering please don't, or just ask me first for correct information.

I don't jump directly into platforms immediately, specifically for this reason, lack of functionality/missing tables/etc. If I'm in a platform, I'm in it to do things the right way.

Thanks for the additional info! Have you noticed any issue with fueling overheads? I've got a JB4 running E30 right now and was hoping to move to e50 or even straight e85

From what I understand, e85 pretty much requires a HPFP upgrade

 

[Goosetuned]

I'm siding with Hobb on this. Goose Tuning could be the best thing since sliced bread, but I've been in online forums long enough to know when something seems off, it's best to err on the side of caution. There simply isn't enough information to make a fully informed decision.

Time will tell like it always does, no worries on that end.

You don't have to side with a liar, ESPECIALLY if you know nothing about my company.

Check out my work though, and what actual customers have to say:

www.facebook.com/goosetuned

 

[Goosetuned]

Thanks for the additional info! Have you noticed any issue with fueling overheads? I've got a JB4 running E30 right now and was hoping to move to e50 or even straight e85

From what I understand, e85 pretty much requires a HPFP upgrade

Anytime man! There is a lot of misinformation about me in here, so I want to clear some of that up.

So around E40-E50 the fuel system starts to run out of capacity. E30 has been fine. E51-54 was not fine, I kept hitting limiters (that I don't turn off ) which forces load/power down to keep things safe.

Full ethanol will require injectors and a pump. I plan to test this as well.

 

[GLT]

Ford will immediately refuse any warranty claim with the any aftermarket tune including Goose, except for the FP tune. End of conversation. Your anecdotal information, feelings and personal bias information, isn’t going to change it either. The statements are accurate to a “T” and truthful, despite your insistence otherwise.

You sound suspiciously like the same individual who got banned from Goose tuning, for advertising without being a forum vendor or someone being pushed to advertised for them. This would be a personal integrity issue, after being informed they needed to be a vendor to push a product, just like you’re doing. Hope you’re not the same individual but we’ll find out soon enough.

Personally, I believe you’re same individual, especially after these statements.

*****If they want to advertise, become a vendor and pay for the privilege.*****

Goose has definitely toggled off both boost and torque limiters, along with several of ECU safety parameters to get these numbers. This in itself allows turbos to over-spool max rpm limits, which makes turbos bearing failure imminent. Guess what, they just happen to sell upgraded turbos……..

Additionally issues; much shortened reliability and longevity of engine/drivetrain.

There’s no street tune worth $2600+.

First, let me address your baseless personal accusations against me. I have never had any affiliation, relationship, arrangement or otherwise with Goose Tunes. I have never communicated with him other than directly in connection with the tune of my two F-150 Raptors. I am not in the tuning business, or the automobile or Raptor business, in any capacity whatsoever, including advertising or marketing. I am nothing more than a satisfied customer. My statements in this forum regarding Goose Tunes are no different than the literally thousands of reviews on the other forums -- once again I suggest you go read them.

I have no idea what forum advertising situation you are referring to. What do you mean by "got banned from Goose tuning"? Can you please enlighten us and point us to information about this? I am genuinely interested and am not trolling you.

Ranger/Hobb, we can undertake a reasonable debate on the pros, cons and effects of an aftermarket tune on the merits without you attacking me and my "personal integrity" (your words) with zero basis in facts.

Your statements that "Ford will immediately refuse any warranty claim" are simply not factual, and in fact such practices are prohibited by federal law. This is not my "anecdotal information, feelings or personal bias" (again, your words). It's not just me that has had warranty work performed after a tune -- thousands of others have, including the dozens if not hundreds of cam phaser replacements on tuned Ford Raptors. Is it wise to flash back to stock before taking it in? Obviously. If the dealer goes to the trouble to run diagnostics can they tell you've previously installed a tune? Probably (they can see the number of key counts since the last PCM update and can obviously see operating parameters). Does that give them the ability to refuse a warranty claim for an electronics issue or an IWE, etc.? No, and if they do, you're using the wrong dealer.

Once again, I'd ask you to point us to information where a factory equipment Goose tune caused or resulted in an engine or transmission failure at all, much less one that led to a denied warranty claim. Like I said before, I'm not saying the number is zero, and again, I would be happy to be enlightened with supporting facts.

As to the rest of your post, I made it very clear in my post above that I was referring to Goose's FACTORY EQUIPMENT tunes (I said it three times in that post). No one here or anywhere else is denying or debating that once you install bigger turbos, bigger injectors, a HPFP, down pipes, boost tubes, etc. that you are pushing the engine and transmission internals beyond their stated capacity, risking failure and, of course, warranty denial. All of that was outside the scope of this discussion from the beginning, so your reference to that stuff in the context of a RR tune is misplaced and irrelevant.

Not worth the $2600? That's your opinion and it's perfectly fine to express it. Hundreds of F-150 Raptor owners that have directly experienced the difference between the Ford Performance tune and Goose Tunes feel differently.

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