Induction Service!

[Mainer12]

The mechanic I just spoke with said that the director injected only engines should get an induction service every so often, to keep the valves clean? Does anyone know anything about this and what are your thoughts $250…

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[famous47]

It 100% sounds like another bs dealer addon service that you wouldn’t need. However, with DI engines it seems to make sense.

My coworker has a Buick, not sure of the specs on the engine. But he says he felt a noticeable improvement after an induction service; and he’s skeptical of EVERYTHING.

 

[Greys]

It is actually a useful service but id be surprised if any 6g rangers are high enough mileage to need this, we usually recommend this at 60,000KM / 40K miles at our shop, and even that interval is probably a little high. The 2.7 with direct and port will not need this service. Theres a couple different ways, the cheaper way is just to hook up a solvent and fire it into the intake, the better way is walnut blasting - this involves removing the intake and directly spraying the valves with abrasive crushed walnuts to clean off all the carbon - this would probably be more like a 100,000 mile service

 

[RANGER/HOBB]

The mechanic I just spoke with said that the director injected only engines should get an induction service every so often, to keep the valves clean? Does anyone know anything about this and what are your thoughts $250…

With a V6 an induction will run between $225-$265. It needs to be done every 10 - 15K miles. It works well and keeps the carbon deposits off the; back of the TB, GDI injectors, intake valves and FI’s.

You should also be utilizing Chevron Techron Fuel System Cleaner, every oil change. There is also an excellent cleaner from ATS Chemical; https://www.atschemicals.com/505-pour-ins/ It works much better than Chevron Techron.

 

[beaudointl]

I suppose the thing to be aware of is the term induction service. Anything that deals with the fuel system is not truly an induction service. A lot of induction services are chemical only are ok for the throttle body and manifolds, it is not really effective at removing the carbon deposits off the back of intake valves. This requires an abrasive blast, usually crushed walnut shells or apricot pits. So a chemical service might be decent maintenance every 50-60k, the abrasive blast may never be necessary depending on longevity of ownership and driving habits. 100-120k would probably be typical. If you start to get a cold start misfire, check for intake valve carbon buildup and subsequent carbon blasting.

 

[Johnny 5]

With a V6 an induction will run between $225-$265. It needs to be done every 10 - 15K miles. It works well and keeps the carbon deposits off the; back of the TB, GDI injectors, intake valves and FI’s.

You should also be utilizing Chevron Techron Fuel System Cleaner, every oil change. There is also an excellent cleaner from ATS Chemical; https://www.atschemicals.com/505-pour-ins/ It works much better than Chevron Techron.

Do you need fuel system cleaner when all you use is 93 octane ?

 

[olefordguy]

With a V6 an induction will run between $225-$265. It needs to be done every 10 - 15K miles. It works well and keeps the carbon deposits off the; back of the TB, GDI injectors, intake valves and FI’s.

You should also be utilizing Chevron Techron Fuel System Cleaner, every oil change. There is also an excellent cleaner from ATS Chemical; https://www.atschemicals.com/505-pour-ins/ It works much better than Chevron Techron.

With the 3.0 being Direct Injection only, a fuel system cleaner will do nothing for the carbon buildup on the valves, fuel and cleaners never gets to them. That’s the only draw back negative thing on direct injected engines. The 2.7 has both port and direct injection so the fuel cleaners could benefit it. The 3.5 in the F150 is also port and direct injection.

 

[RANGER/HOBB]

I suppose the thing to be aware of is the term induction service. Anything that deals with the fuel system is not truly an induction service. A lot of induction services are chemical only are ok for the throttle body and manifolds, it is not really effective at removing the carbon deposits off the back of intake valves. This requires an abrasive blast, usually crushed walnut shells or apricot pits. So a chemical service might be decent maintenance every 50-60k, the abrasive blast may never be necessary depending on longevity of ownership and driving habits. 100-120k would probably be typical. If you start to get a cold start misfire, check for intake valve carbon buildup and subsequent carbon blasting.

I’m going to disagree with you here with evidence. The Fuel/Air induction service is completely effective thru the entire fuel system from the back of the TB - Intake valves.

Allowing carbon deposits to accumulate on intake valve stems, GDI’s, FI‘s

• Reduces fuel efficiency
• Reduces vehicle performance and power
• Provides costly component repairs

and only becomes progressive worse with time. Removing the buildup at set intervals of 15K or once every year, solves the problem of buildup.

Walnut/apricot blasting, is a repair and avoidable. With the understanding, removal of the intake manifold/s, turbocharger/s, and in some cases the entire head/s to gain proper access to the intake valves, along with removal of GDI‘s, FI’s and TB is costly repair, not maintenance. All this can result in a repair bill of several thousands of dollars.

Below is photographic evidence of a complete GDI Fuel/Air Induction System service;

Before;

After;

This Field/Air induction service was conducted at 15K on a 2.3 Ford eco boost GDI engine. It directly removes carbon deposits from Intakes valves and all accumulated carbon deposits on associated fuel system parts.

I’ve utilized Fuel/Air induction services exclusively for all GDI engine over the past 15 or so years, on several different makes/models. All have produce the same results as pictured above. Yes, its not cheap but is part of GDI engine maintenance cost.

Additionally the use of a PCV Catch Can, will help in reducing carbon deposits. Without it, fuel, air and water vapor, will simple be recycled back thru the emission PCV and emissions system to be re-burned during combustion.

This unburnt fuel, air and water vapor from the crankcase, under high temperatures and boost pressure, causes carbon deposit buildup on intake valves. There is no fuel washing over the intake valves to keep them clean, as in a NA or multi-port engine.

There used to be an old commercial by Purolator on TV that said; “You can pay me a little now or allot later. If you own a GDI carbon buildup is inevitable, not anecdotal.” The choice is yours.

 

[RANGER/HOBB]

Do you need fuel system cleaner when all you use is 93 octane ?

With the 3.0 being Direct Injection only, a fuel system cleaner will do nothing for the carbon buildup on the valves, fuel and cleaners never gets to them. That’s the only draw back negative thing on direct injected engines. The 2.7 has both port and direct injection so the fuel cleaners could benefit it. The 3.5 in the F150 is also port and direct injection.

Yes it does and even Ford utilizes Chevron Techron at every OEM oil change. It‘s re-branded and distributed by Motorcraft but is Techron. It will clean FI’s, GDI’s, back of TB and intake valves “on multiport engine” but not the intake valves on the Ford eco boost 3.0L GDI.

Utilizing 91, 93, or higher octane, will not keep intake valves clean on any GDI. The GDI engine was engineered and designed to cause carbon buildup and they know it, at the expense of meeting emission regulations and standards.

On a Ford 3.0 GDI, which is what the Ford Ranger Raptor is equipped with; has the same inherent issues, as any other GDI engine.

The only other method that works well; is water or water methanol injection. However using WMI, will kill your warranty. Water injection has been used for years and is a proven method of keeping external internal parts clean. However, try explaining your WMI reservoir “used for water injection only, “ to your dealership service department.

All of this information is readily available by internet search.

 

[Bondodave]

Carbon buildup??? Use the skinny pedal, and 93 octane, do regular maintenance, change plugs at least twice as fast as recommended and everything will work as it should. At the end of the day people baby their vehicles to much now. I'm not saying beat your vehicle but... every once in a while at least floor it!! With torque management, knock sensors, and how everything communicates together you won't hurt it. I haven't had a vehicle with any carbon issue. If your scared run a catch can. From built Fords, Hemis, and LS junk. Like Nike said Just Floor It!! I think lol

 

[beaudointl]

I’m going to disagree with you here with evidence. The induction service is completely effective thru the entire fuel system from the back of the TB - Intake valves.

Allowing carbon deposits to accumulate on intake valve stems, GDI’s, FI‘s

• Reduces fuel efficiency
• Reduces vehicle performance and power
• Provides costly component repairs

and only becomes progressive worse with time. Removing the buildup at set intervals of 15K or once every year, solves the problem of buildup.

Walnut/apricot blasting, is a repair and avoidable. With the understanding, removal of the intake manifold/s, turbocharger/s, and in some cases the entire head/s to gain proper access to the intake valves, along with removal of GDI‘s, FI’s and TB is costly repair, not maintenance. All this can result in a repair bill of several thousands of dollars.

Below is photographic evidence of a complete GDI Fuel/Air Induction System service;

Before;

After;

This induction service was conducted at 15K on a 2.3 Ford eco boost GDI engine. The Fuel/Air Induction Service directly removes carbon deposits from Intakes valves and all accumulated carbon deposits on associated fuel system parts.

I’ve utilized Fuel/Air induction services exclusively for all GDI engine over the past 15 or so years, on several different makes/models. All have produce the same results as pictured above. Yes, its not cheap but is part of GDI engine maintenance cost.

Additionally the use of a PCV Catch Can, will help in reducing carbon deposits. Without it, fuel, air and water vapor, will simple be recycled back thru the emission PCV and emissions system to be re-burned during combustion.

This unburnt fuel, air and water vapor from the crankcase, under high temperatures and boost pressure, causes carbon deposit buildup on intake valves. There is no fuel washing over the intake valves to keep them cleans, as in a NA or multi-port engine.

There used to be an old commercial by Purolator on TV that said; “You can pay me a little now or allot lateR. If you own a GDI carbon buildup is inevitable, not anecdotal.” The choice is yours.

Agreed. I was referring to in general a fuel induction service may only be for the fuel system and with GDI will not help with intake valve carbonization. An air/fuel system service may help as you have indicated. My caution was to ensure of what procedure will be carried out regardless of the name as depending if it's dual injection, port injection or GDI the components effected may differ. I know that some shops have not updated their service nomenclature as engine systems have changed and no longer truly indicate to the customer what is being maintained. The 2.3 pics you posted are awesome and a direct reflection of what proper preventative maintenance can do.

 

[DonW]

I’m going to disagree with you here with evidence. The induction service is completely effective thru the entire fuel system from the back of the TB - Intake valves.

Allowing carbon deposits to accumulate on intake valve stems, GDI’s, FI‘s

• Reduces fuel efficiency
• Reduces vehicle performance and power
• Provides costly component repairs

and only becomes progressive worse with time. Removing the buildup at set intervals of 15K or once every year, solves the problem of buildup.

Walnut/apricot blasting, is a repair and avoidable. With the understanding, removal of the intake manifold/s, turbocharger/s, and in some cases the entire head/s to gain proper access to the intake valves, along with removal of GDI‘s, FI’s and TB is costly repair, not maintenance. All this can result in a repair bill of several thousands of dollars.

Below is photographic evidence of a complete GDI Fuel/Air Induction System service;

Before;

After;

This induction service was conducted at 15K on a 2.3 Ford eco boost GDI engine. The Fuel/Air Induction Service directly removes carbon deposits from Intakes valves and all accumulated carbon deposits on associated fuel system parts.

I’ve utilized Fuel/Air induction services exclusively for all GDI engine over the past 15 or so years, on several different makes/models. All have produce the same results as pictured above. Yes, its not cheap but is part of GDI engine maintenance cost.

Additionally the use of a PCV Catch Can, will help in reducing carbon deposits. Without it, fuel, air and water vapor, will simple be recycled back thru the emission PCV and emissions system to be re-burned during combustion.

This unburnt fuel, air and water vapor from the crankcase, under high temperatures and boost pressure, causes carbon deposit buildup on intake valves. There is no fuel washing over the intake valves to keep them cleans, as in a NA or multi-port engine.

There used to be an old commercial by Purolator on TV that said; “You can pay me a little now or allot lateR. If you own a GDI carbon buildup is inevitable, not anecdotal.” The choice is yours.

For the thousands it would cost doing it every 15,000, would be cheaper to put a new engine e in every 100,000!

 

[RANGER/HOBB]

Ok, then let’s do the math;

Once a year for an induction service over a 10 year period. Which is far longer than most keep a vehicle. Equals roughly $2500.00, without the expense of having to do a partial tear down at around 100K.

So, mathematically speaking; $2,500 for 10 years of Induction services, doesn’t equal a new engine that would be in the ($12-$14K + region) at 100K mikes……………

 

[DonW]

Ok, then let’s do the math;

Once a year for an induction service over a 10 year period. Which is far longer than most keep a vehicle. Equals roughly $2500.00, without the expense of having to do a partial tear down at around 100K.

So, mathematically speaking; $2,500 for the service, doesn’t equal a new engine that would be in the $10 - $14K + region at 100K mikes……………

But to blast clean imtake valves by blasting you have to remove intake, turbo,etc. this would amount to considerable cost every 15,000 miles.

 

[RANGER/HOBB]

But to blast clean imtake valves by blasting you have to remove intake, turbo,etc. this would amount to considerable cost every 15,000 miles.

I’m speaking about a Fuel/Air Induction service every 15K or year. You’re misunderstanding what has been comment too. I think you might need to go back and re-read the contents of the posts I’ve made..

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